IN JUSTICE: ‘Truth Runs Marathons’

The Robson & Safechuck files

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By Rasheed

In the past couple months, there have been many rumors, salacious stories, and reactive business decisions by various companies and individuals resulting from the ‘Leaving Neverland’ film. It has been a topic of debate on television, online, and in homes. There has been much information uncovered since the original airing of the film. This is a resource of collective information that goes in-depth into what people have been talking about all around the world.

Walk with me as we take a journey uncovering lies, cover-ups, and bringing many rumors to end.

‘Leaving Neverland’ Contradictions: Wade Robson

In the documentary, Wade’s wife (Amanda) expresses the difficulty tending to Wade Robson’s issues with abuse because she had no experience with abuse.

Their Charity website said “… Amanda Robson, his wife, mother of their child and also a survivor of child abuse,..” The website removed all mention of his wife and changed the name of the charity after people started to comment on the contradiction.

The heavily edited ‘Happy Birthday’ message from the film was recorded February 1990, 7 months before Wade Robson’s birthday, and within days that Jackson and Wade first spent any time together [outside their first encounters 2 years’ prior in Australia, where they met.]

In the Documentary Wade claims, it was after his family left to the Grand Canyon that the sexual experiences began. He made mention that none of his family was there to be reached.

Two months before filming, Wade stated in court that the sexual interaction began the day before the Robson’s left Neverland for the Grand Canyon and his sister was nearby in the room. Joy was asked in her 1993 deposition, if her entire family toured the Grand Canyon, she responds “yes”. When further asked if Wade has stayed at Neverland alone, she replied, “Never, my son has never been to the ranch without me up until this year.” Later in her 2016 deposition she confirmed ‘the whole family’, including Wade went.

In the documentary, Wade paints a narrative that he spent hundreds of nights with Michael Jackson, which every time they were together, sexual acts would occur.

This is disproven by Joy Robson’s 2005 testimony where she stated ‘My memory is in the entire time we’ve lived here since 1991, we’ve only been at the ranch with Michael on four occasions in 14 years.” … “Every other time we’ve been here without him”. In Joy’s 2016 testimony, she did share details of a few occasions in which the Robson’s would visit Michael in either his Westwood or Century City Apartments. Within those occasions, she would see a group of other people such as Michael Jackson’s nephews, Emmanuel Lewis, and others. She also commented on a single occasion where Wade and Chantel [sister] stayed two nights with Michael at the Mirage hotel in Las Vegas, along with a mention of an occasion in 1995 that Jackson stayed two nights at the Robson’s apartment after an argument Michael had with his ex-wife Lisa Marie Presley. She stated that Wade and Michael slept in the open living room where anyone could walk through any time.

Wade Robson told a story of being at Neverland, seeing Michael’s children, which gave him the incentive to testify on Michael Jackson’s behalf.

That visit to Neverland took place after Wade Robson’s May 5, 2005 sworn testimony on.

In the Documentary Wade tells a story of attempted anal penetration, followed with another, claiming Michael Jackson called him, asking him to come to the location Michael Jackson was rehearsing for his HIStory tour. Once Wade arrives, Michael Jackson asks Wade to go back home and throw it out his underwear. Wade claims to go home, sees his blood in the underwear, and rids of it in a dumpster.

Wade never entered the ‘underwear story’ into any legal proceeding. 1. If Michael was worried about soiled underwear being found, it would be counterintuitive for him to ask Wade to drive over to the rehearsal location (leaving the underwear open for discovery in his home by his mother or sister) just to drive back to throw it out. 2. This story would suggest that Michael was aware that Wade’s anus bled, did not mention or ask him to clean up, and later erratically react.

Court: Wade Robson

The court asked Wade to release his emails, he claimed emails relating to the subject did not exist. On June 3, 2016, he presented a single email that was sent to 30 individuals. The Estate challenged the idea that only a single email exists. Wade attempted to hide emails under ‘attorney client privileges’ however the emails were between him and his mother. July 2016, Wade (along with his new lawyers) presented 100 carefully selected pages of emails – with no explanation to why he originally claimed there was only a single email. After much analysis and pressure, Wade was obligated to present around 4000 pages of emails.

In those emails, it was discovered that Wade Robson sent himself a link from a leading propaganda website that paints Michael Jackson as a pedophile.

Emails between Wade Robson and his mother on February 15, 2016 showed Robson sending her a tabloid article with claims from a former security guard of Michael’s. He asked if there was any truth to the story. Wade’s mother responded “Wow. None of that is true.” In September of 2016, Wade Robson included that story in his amended complaint as factual.

Emails also show Wade asking his mother about the sequence of events, his mother responds letting him know she would have to check her notes and that she has ‘many versions’.

Wade was ordered to present his journals to the court. April 13, 2015, his notes revealed, “My story of abuse and its effects will make me relatable/relevant”, along with this statement, “it’s time for me to get mine”. When questioned about the quotes, he said that he did not know what he meant by his words.

Wade wrote 2 drafts of a ‘tell all’ book that was shopped around in the end of 2012 and beginning of 2013. The court ordered Wade to produce both drafts. Stories of his abuse were significantly different.

Wade claimed that he was unaware of the administration of The Michael Jackson Estate prior to March 6, 2013. However, he was in contact with the administration about the Cirque De Soleil show through 2012.

The trial judge found Wade’s lies so baffling that he disregarded his sworn declaration stating that “no rational trier of fact could possibly believe Robson’s sworn statements.’”

Noteworthy details & comments: Wade Robson

September 15, 2016, in an interview with a local LA radio station, Wade’s lawyer claimed that Pellicano coached the Robson’s into defending Jackson in a televised interview.

Wade’s complaint states that his mother contacted Staikos, from there Pellicano – after the interview took place. In a 1995 interview Joy said that “it was Wade’s decision to `go public’ on television and proclaim Michael’s innocence.”  Wade selfishly asked Jackson’s Nanny, Ms. Rwaramba, if she could get approval to have his wedding at Neverland Ranch during the 2005 trial. According to the nanny, Wade stated, “‘Michael has been like a father to me, and it would mean the world to us if Amanda and I could get married at Neverland.’” She informed him that she would not ask Michael about the wedding at the ranch due to the stressful nature of the trial. (Jackson was in the room with the Nanny, listening on speaker)

Wade claims he is speaking out for victims, established a charity in Hawaii (Where the laws around proving where donations come from are very lax), yet he has overlooked speaking about the charity within the multiple interviews after establishing the charity.

‘Leaving Neverland’ Contradictions – James Safechuck

James describes an elaborate story of a mock wedding where Michael Jackson and James exchanged vows and ‘wedding’ rings.

While telling the story he showed the jewelry he claimed to been given by Michael Jackson. He stated that they would tell the jewelers that they were shopping for a woman. The jewelry he presented were male rings that could arguably fit his adult ring finger. There has not been any other accuser aside from James, which has claimed this ‘ring’ narrative. This claim [aside from James accounts] has only been made in Victor Gutierrez’s book ‘Michael Jackson Was My Lover’, the author claims to have received Jordan Chandlers personal diaries. When questioned in a legal proceeding about the diaries, he could not provide the document – nor any correspondence regarding it. [More information on Gutiérrez in the ‘Collective Notes & Comment’ section of this document. |tab 2|] It is also worth noting that he provided rings as ‘evidence’ yet the vows he claims were made, he did not have. One would have to wonder what would be the purpose.

After this claimed mock wedding, James tells a story of a ‘Honeymoon’ in Paris, France. James paints a narrative of this special trip to Paris.

While they did travel to Paris in June of 1988, and stayed at L’Hotel de Crillon, suite 335. It was for Jacksons Bad World Tour, where James – along with a group of youngsters would join Jackson on stage. James mother [Stephanie] traveled along side.

Within the documentary, the Safechucks describe this encounter where Michael and James were locked in a room overlooking the theater at Neverland. The story goes into detail, explaining where Stephanie Safechuck tried opening the door but was locked. After some time, Michael opened the door, both Michael and James were dressed.

The falsehood with this claim is found in the fact that the doors to the room described are locked from the outside. If the door was locked, it would be Stephanie [not Michael] that would have control over the lock to the room. Neither Michael nor James would have the capability to open the door, while Stephanie would.

In the Documentary James tells a story of multiple occurrences in which Michael Jackson and James would go into the Train Station at Neverland Ranch and perform sexual acts on each other.

James claims that his abuse lasted four years. [1988-1992 / ages 10-14] Construction of the ‘Katherine Jackson’ Train Station began November 1993, and was not completed until 1994. James would be 16 years old.

James claimed that Michael Jackson called him towards the end of the 2005 trial [regarding the Arvizo case] and asked James to testify on his behalf. He went into detail stating that it was the last conversation they had.

The evidence and individuals that would enter the case was carefully selected and approved months prior to the trial began. James was considered a ‘non entity’ in the case; neither James nor Michael Jackson had any authority to pull James into the trial. Any mention of James Safechuck was irrelevant to the case.

Stephanie Safechuck [mother] stated in the documentary that she ‘jumped out of bed’ and ‘danced’ when she heard Michael Jackson died in 2009. Expressed the feeling of thankfulness that Michael Jackson could not harm any more children.

James has stated in multiple interviews and in court, of his ignorance regarding his understanding of the ‘abuse’. He claims seeing Wade Robson’s interview with Matt Lauer in May 2013 was a pivotal awakening moment. He has stated that he told his mother that Michael ‘wasn’t a good man’ and was ‘an evil man’. Mind you, he has stated on several occasions that at the time he did not see what they did together as ‘good or bad’. This would mean from the conversation with his mother, she had a full understanding of what James went through before James himself came to the realization it was abuse years later. This would also indicate that all the news reports through the 90s and 00s regarding Michael Jackson and sexual abuse never triggered this realization – but Wade’s interview did. Note that there was one occasion in a court proceeding in 2016, that he [for a short term] changed his narrative and stated he did tell him mother that he was abused in 2005; he went back to the original account afterwards, never to reiterate that sentiment again.

Court: James Safechuck

In James’ original complaint against the Jackson Estate, he never claimed to have had any working relationship with the Estate, thus had no ‘Duty of Care’. James later amended his complaint adding an allegation against MJJ Ventures in respect to the alleged abuse in the 1980s.

MJJ Ventures was not established until 1991 and James did not have any working relationship that would be under MJJ Ventures until 1994, two years after his alleged abuse ended.

In James’ complaint, he tells an elaborate story of the Safechucks spending Thanksgiving Day 1987 with Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson was in Australia on Thanksgiving Day 1987 at a ‘meet and greet’ which he met Wade Robson that day. He was traveling for his Bad tour where he was set to perform in Brisbane Australia the following day.

With James failed attempt to incriminate The Michael Jackson Estate, he amended his complaint once again adding in a story of a ‘youth program’ where Michael Jackson would be a mentor. He claimed that these companies were the ‘most sophisticated child abuse procurement & Facilitation organization’

A youth program under MJJ companies never existed.

At this point James’ case came to a dead end, and became even more desperate to make The Jackson Estate hold ‘ownership’ for alleged abuse. James and his lawyers made the argument since Michael Jackson was the sole shareholder and owner of MJJ companies – that Michael Jackson should have been obligated to ‘supervise himself’, knowing he had ‘criminal tendencies’ and should not allow himself to work in his own company.

This would entail that he would need to fire himself and warm others about his ‘abusive tendencies’.

James alleged to have flown to New York City shortly after the 1989 Grammys to visit Michael where he claims more sexual encounters occurred.

The Grammy Awards took place February 22 in Los Angeles, CA in 1989. Michael Jackson did not attend the event nor is there any record of Michael Jackson being outside of California in this timeframe – with multiple public sightings in the Los Angeles area. (Stockton, CA | Santa Barbara, CA | Century City, CA)

Noteworthy details & comments: James Safechuck

When chronologically looking at James amended complaints, you can see the story evolving specifically to work around the ‘Duty of Care’ issues he ran into. The details of involvement with MJJ companies became increasingly elaborate with each amendment. True stories do not vary outside of perception; the terms of the amendments show direct intent to incriminate The Michael Jackson Estate, putting liability in the Estates hands.

James has stated in multiple interviews that he was not of the understanding that what happened to him was abuse until he saw Wade Robson on Television in 2013. He claims it was that moment he thought that he should address what ‘happened’ between him and Michael Jackson.

Collective Details & Comments

Wade Robson and James Safechuck have been in contact since 2013 and legally working together since 2014 against The Jackson Estate. They worked together with Wade’s original legal team until both cases were thrown out. Together, they switched law firms where their complaints were amended multiple times. With this, you can see the narratives of the allegations change. (The details around Wade’s emails / both stories becoming more elaborate / James including involvement of MJJ Ventures etc.)

It is important to be familiar with Victor Gutiérrez [Author of Michael Jackson Was My Lover] due to his deep ties to allegations surrounding Michael Jackson. He [Victor] is a freelance writer with deep ties to NAMBLA. (A pro pedophilic organization that works to abolish age consent laws and assists felons convicted for pedophilia). Public record shows that Victor attended a NAMBLA conference in 1986 that discussed using Michael Jackson as the name for their goal of social acceptance. It is worth noting that conferences within the organization generally require individuals to be a member for 3 years, and a sponsorship by a fellow seasoned NAMBLA member. Within the Authors notes, he declares his respect for the organization and his belief that Pedophilia is not harmful to children but misunderstood by society.

Victor is the lead source for several journalists that have built careers off Michael Jackson stories. He’s also participated in several documentaries as well as being a driving force behind false alleged stories sold to tabloids by Jacksons terminated employees. (Blanca Francia, Adrian McManus, and Ralph Chacon) All of which have lost civil cases against Michael Jackson for false allegations. These lost cases resulted in financial compensation, all of which have gone unpaid

Ralph testified in 2005 that he, along with other ex-employees of Jackson have spoken with Gutiérrez, in 2005 McManus testified that Gutiérrez helped their lawsuits against Michael Jackson. It is important to note every lawsuit tied with Victor was lost in court, resulting in financial damages in favor of Michael Jackson. All have fallen short of payment.

To speak on Gutiérrez credibility issues, he has claimed to work undercover for the LAPD. The LAPD has publicly stated they have no ties with Gutiérrez. In a lawsuit surrounding his book, when questioned about the diaries he claimed existed, he could not explain how he received the diaries, its current location, or what may have happened to these diaries. Jordan Chandler’s uncle [the only family member that has publicly spoken about the book] denounced Gutiérrez writings and stated the diaries never existed.

Accounts and Narratives

Sexually Satisfying Relationship

Both Wade and James express a ‘sexually satisfying relationship’ at a pre-teen age with Michael Jackson yet no mention of the conflicting feelings coming from two straight boys/now men. We are to overlook not only the discomfort of a minor with an adult but to look past the natural discomfort of a sexual relationship that opposes their true sexuality (heterosexuals)

Given the culture in the late 80s & 90s regarding homosexuality, it is very unlikely that the duality of the sexual acts would not leave an impact worth mentioning in therapy, court, or in the film. It is also notable that allegations of ‘improper conduct’ by Michael Jackson was heavily publicized within this time.

‘Trading’ Out Boys

Both accusers paint a narrative that Jackson would ‘trade out boys’ every 12 months, yet each of their claimed sexual experience lasted several years. Taking a deeper look at this idea, let us consider James claims are between 1988-1992; Wade’s claims are between 1990-1996. This not only makes their stories overlap, but in that timeframe, there were three other boys that were In Michael Jackson’s life. Macaulay Culkin met Jackson in (1990), Brett Barnes (1991), Jordan Chandler (1992). This would contradict the narrative that Jackson was ‘trading’ boys out one after the next, totaling 5 boys in 1992. It is worth noting that 1992 was an extremely busy year for Jackson [promotion, video shoots, planning, rehearsing, and touring for much of the year]. To coordinate the type of grooming that they claim – would be a massive undertaking that would be very unlikely to ‘pull off’.

Parallels with Victor Gutierrez’s book

In 1997, Victor Gutierrez released a book claimed to be based on Jordan Chandlers ‘secret diaries’. Within that book, there are narratives that have never matched up to any other accuser’s story aside from James Safechuck – yet used as a way of showing a ‘pattern of abuse’.

Pg. 21-22: Jordan Chandler was jealous of Brett Barnes relationship with Michael. In James claim, he was jealous of Brett Barnes.

Pg. 37-38: States Jackson would put tape on his nose to hold it in place before going to sleep. James lawsuit states that he saw Jackson putting on a bandage to cover his nose before bed.

Pg. 40: Describes Jackson being jealous of a crush Jordan Chandler had. James lawsuit claims Michael got jealous over a crush he had on Sheryl Crow.

Pg. 57-58: mentions Jackson watching films with ‘foreign themes’ that features minors participating in sexual acts. James lawsuit states that Jackson showed him ‘foreign’ films that minors were participants in sexual acts. There are also striking parallels within the claimed sexual acts [kept out of this document due to the lewd nature of the content.]

Striking Similar Revelations

Both, Wade and James tell a strikingly similar story of the moments they came to terms with their ‘abuse’. Both claim it involves having their first born child decades after the abuse, imagining them [the child] be ‘abused’ the way they were, and express a strong reactive emotion because of this. They both also claim that through their teen years and 20s, there was no real perspective in regards to the abuse. While it is a very practical narrative for an individual to have this reaction, it is highly unlikely that both individuals filing lawsuits with the same lawyers, regarding the same ‘abuser’ have the same revelation in the such similar sequence of events. Neither one of them, prior to their children being born did they grasp the concept of what happened was abuse despite the public attention sexual allegations have surrounded Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson the instigator of relationships

Both the Safechucks and the Robsons paint a picture describing Michael Jackson as this individual that sought after the children, yet the parents own words discredits that claim.

From the first initial visit the Robson’s made to the United States, Joy went through many lengths to find a way to contact Michael Jackson. She openly talked about calling around, trying to get his number. She has also expressed disappointment on lack of involvement Michael had in her kids’ lives. In ‘Variety Today’, she stated, “The first 18 months in LA was really tough going. We had taken six suitcases and little money and knew no-one in LA, only Michael who spent much of the time away.” It is likely that an abuser with the means of doing so – would expedite the process of them moving near, making sure the ‘victim’ is under supervision. This ‘too busy’ narrative goes against the ‘grooming’ nature narrative that they describe.

Emotional contradiction

Wade Robson claims two set of emotions that contradict each other. 1. That he did not see anything wrong with the abuse because he felt that he was in a ‘fulfilling sexual relationship’ at the age of 7, which he expresses as the reason he did not speak out. 2. That he did not speak out due to fear after being coached and threatened to go to prison and their lives essentially being ‘over’.

They both claim that they had full mental awareness [remembered everything] of the events yet no emotional comprehension that child abuse is wrong until they reached their 30s. This would need a high level of naivety to the law, and basic morality. Considering the high profile nature of the allegations that surrounded Michael Jackson, along with the fact that they both testified in regards to allegations [Wade going through an extensive cross examination while defending Michael] it is extremely unlikely possible.

Grooming process

Wade describes an elaborate grooming process Michael Jackson ‘did’ yet claims to have been abused within hours of being left alone. (which contradicts his own statement in court that his family was still at Neverland and sister in the room) Considering the fact that the Robson’s were not US citizens and were to leave the country shortly after – this would give an abuser very little time to influence an individual (minor or adult) to protect such a crime and would be vastly risky, especially considering the high profile of the individual accused of the crime.

In Wade’s complaint against the Jackson Estate, he describes this grooming/coaching experience and quotes Michael Jackson to have said. “They are making up all these lies about you and me, saying that we did all this disgusting sexual stuff…”

If the sexual abuse was true, and both individuals would know the truth; there would no reason for Michael Jackson state that ‘they are making up all these lies.’

Wade’s father’s suicide due to Michael Jackson’s abuse

In Wade’s legal complaint, he insinuates that his father [who suffered from bipolar disorder] committed suicide in 2002 due to anxiety and fear that Jackson might have abused his son Wade.

Up to that point – Wade, his mother, and Chantal [The Robsons] have only expressed fond opinions of Jackson. Wade repeatedly claimed [in court and interviews] to have had ‘no perspective’ of the abuse and thought of Michael Jackson as a good person and mentor. It was not until 2012 that Wade showed any notable signs or made comment of any sort of abuse.

Robsons supporting Michael Jackson After Wade Came Forward

Both Joy and Chantal Robson were pro-actively on message boards, joining Michael Jackson fan groups, ‘liking’ various pro Jackson material between 2012-2016. Wade Robson went public with his claims of abuse in 2013. Note that after the airing of Leaving Neverland, they have been deleting interviews, posts, and various recorded moves that supported Michael Jackson within this time period.

Michael drilling & pushing Wade into entertainment

Wade has described this grueling pressure from Michael Jackson to be successful within the Entertainment industry.

This is opposed in several interviews and testimonies by statements made from Wade’s mother. In a 2011 podcast, she states the following:

“I realized very early on that if we were gonna make it here it is gonna be up to me. I couldn’t really rely… Michael had a… he lived in a bubble…I was the one who had to find agents..”

“[Wade and Chantal] have always been busy and I think boredom breeds trouble. […] My kids worked every weekend, every school vacation, their birthday parties were backstage, their Christmas parties were backstage. No regrets.”

Excerpts of a 1995 ‘Variety Today’ article she stated:

Joy said her kids developed an American accent almost immediately. As a result, Wade was doing three or four auditions between 3-7 pm each day. While Wade worked hard, attending audition after audition, learning lines, practicing and rehearsing his dance movements. She went on saying “The first 18 months in LA was really tough going. We had taken six suitcases and little money and knew no-one in LA, only Michael who spent much of the time away.”

In Joy Robson’s 2016 Deposition she stated the following:

“And to think that this man who used to call me and ask — and beg me not to make Wade work all the time, to let him have his childhood, what a hypocrite.”

Note that on May 8th, 2012, [the day he claims he finally ‘confessed’ his abuse] Wade [according to a selfmade blog] listened to a TED Talk by Brené Brown titled “The Power of Vulnerability” on his way to therapy. The speech is about having the understanding of being worthy of love without being perfect. The narrative is built around the mistakes parents make while raising their children with pressure of being ‘perfect’.

The above echoes deeper into the dynamic of Wade’s life in correlation to the relationship between him and his mother.

It is also worth mentioning that the therapist that he saw, Dr. Larry Shaw – is a therapist whose focus is on individuals in high pressure jobs, more specifically people that are in a particular career because of parent’s expectations.

It is highly likely that the driving force into the entertainment industry was Joy Robson [mother] and the relationship with Michael Jackson [the largest entertainer in the world] & ‘mentor’ – made him develop high expectations of himself. [which in his first breakdown, it was under the terms that he fell short of expectations and felt like a ‘failure’]. Dr. Larry Shaw has been quoted saying. “The guys I’ve worked with recently have father issues, which means they had very powerful fathers, so there’s an aspect of living under the father’s shadow.”

Potential Motives

The Safechuck family have been in the middle of a legal dispute regarding the ‘Trashing’ company they have been a part of for decades. The family was sued for $1 million dollars – two days after James Safechuck filed paper work, joining a multi-million-dollar civil complaint against Michael Jackson.

It is quite telling while chronologically looking at Wade’s actions after the passing of Michael Jackson. After the failed attempts to take part in a tribute in Jackson’s memorial, he [in 2011] anonymously sold two items of Jackson memorabilia for $81,170.00. In May 2011, Wade emailed the creative team at Cirque De Soleil saying, “I always wanted to do this show badly” and expressed how he is ‘meant to do this show’. Before a choreographer was officially selected, in July 2011 Wade publicly claimed that he was putting together the ‘MJ Cirque show’. While Wade and the Estate were in communication, there was another choreographer in the running for that same position. Shortly after this, it was announced that Jamie King would be chosen for the role as Wade Robson was rejected. Late 2012, Wade shopped a tell-all book claiming sexual abuse by the hands of Michael Jackson. There was no publisher interested in picking up the book. In May of 2013, Wade files his civil lawsuit for hundreds of millions of dollars against The Michael Jackson Estate. ‘Michael Jackson One’ Cirque show debuted that same month.

Thank you for reading!

Source: MJJCommunity/Rasheed


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